>> steve: tomorrow on the concert series, cup moore is performing. you're not going to want to miss it. >> brian: susan lucci who i'm no longer dating. >> gretchen: i'm sorry to miss it. have a fantastic weekend and >> we are good. bill: a toast to him this morning as well. remembering the man month brought tv's tony soprano to

life. james gandolfini dead. i'm bill hemmer. martha: good morning. james gandolfini was at a film festival and vacationing in rome. he was left hund quite -- he ht behind quite a legacy. he was a real jersey guy. many are saying this television program changed the way you think about tv and acting on television. it was his portrayal of the complicated new jersey mob boss. what a character he developed. he was cool but somehow he was loveable as well. watch some of this. >> i'm in the waste management business. everyone immediately assumes you are mobbed it it's a stereotype

and it's offensive. >> i went to college. i understand therapy as a concept. but in my world it does not go down. we are going to deal with this as a family together. no matter how it affects anybody. personal safetywise, financially-wise, whatever. >> that was the final straw. >> you killed the dog. >> he's going to be whacked. >> he doesn't understand you. >> look at her face. she is smiling. look at her face. martha: what a scene that was. once you started watching this show you could not stop watching this show. fans got together last night in bloomfield, new jersey where they shot the famous final scene of the sopranos and many of the

people were stunned at the news of his passing so young. >> i was completely shocked. i had a lot of mental feeling about it. i got the urge to come out here and take in the moment. he was a great actor. >> he definitely was. even though they showed the new jersey as a mob, he brought other good things and he made people know -- bill: julie, what are we learning from rome and the doctors there this morning. >> reporter: an hbo spokeswoman confirmed the news. he died while vacationing in italy. doctors are saying he suffered cardiac arrest. after arriving at the hospital at 10:20 p.m. he was pronounced

dead. david chase says he was a genius. anyone who saw him even in his smallest of performances knew that. costar and musician steven van zant tweeted the world has lost one of the greatest actors of all time. best known for his role on "the sopranos." he stole the show as a troubled mob boss. in it finale. one of the most memorable, leaving fans wanting more when it aired 6 years ago. >> focus on the good side. isn't that what you said.

try to remember the times that were good. >> i did? >> yes. >> reporter: ironic. in real life the good times began in new jersey where he was from. bill: that's where he was born and grew up. where did he get his start? >> reporter: he graduated from rutgers university. he worked as a bartender and bouncer in new york city nell went with a friend to an acting class. new york governor chris christie says gandolfini was a fine actor and a true jersey guy. i was a huge fan of his and the character he played. gandolfini is survived by his wife debra and 2-year-old daughter. he's also survived by another son michael from another marriage. he was 51 years old. bill: a fixture in this city as

we have seen him so many times. martha: reaction is pouring in from hollywood and washington as well. this from actor samuel l. jackson tweeting, massive blow to the acting community. james gandolfini so talented. any heart goes out to his family. this from susan sarandon. so sad to lose gandolfini. one of the funniest, most generous actors i have ever worked with. sending prayers to his family. john mccain says rest in peace. james gandolfini one of the nicest guys i ever met. bill: gandolfini was a character actor who did a wide aarray of -- did a wide array of roles. and his big break after that.

>> are you any good? >> am i any good? >> without your garbage you are nothing. >> when two people love each other totally, truthfully all the way love each other, the answer to that question is simple, especially in your case. whenever you get to that point where enough is enough. never, never. bill: he loved the stage appearing in "god of carnage." he was nominated for a tony in his performance in that show which did very, very well. martha: he was born right in new jersey on september 18, 961. born in park ridge. his father was an italian immigrant who did a number of

jobs. seem layer, brick mason. janitor. his mother was a school lunch lady. of course he hit it very, very big. bill: his death puts the spotlight on the number one killer of men and women in the united states and that's heart disease. 47% of sudden cardiac deaths happen outside the hospital. one of two men who die from it are never made aware they have it. not so much older americans. the cdc says there are 3,000 deaths among 15-34-year-olds each year as well. i saw him on broadway in "god of

carnage." there were four terrific actors on stage. but he was the center piece of that show and he drove it with his character and presence like he did on "the sopranos." martha: "the sopranos" changed the way people watched television. it came with tvo and you have this legacy of shows people watch in a different way. that character that he embodied so completely and those eyes, so expressive. the subtleties of that show were bigger than the big stuff. the mob life and the violence. bill: the viewership. 9, 10, 11 million people watching it. martha: some people were insulted saying it depicted a bad image of new jerseyans.

global markets are down right now on news that the fed could be pulling back on the stimulus it has been relentlessly pumping into the economy. >> based on its review of recent economic and financial developments, we see the economy starting to go at a greater pace. >> in the world of the federal reserve thatasses for tony soprano-style drama. stewart varney, the anchor of varney and company. explain what ben bernanke said and why it got such a reaction. >> reporter: ben bernanke threatened to take away the biggest economic stimulus program we have got going for us right now. at the moment ben is printing a trillion dollars a year. he's threatening to reduce that

to zero as the mid of next year. the immediate result is bad news for homeowners because interest rates are going up. home buyers. it will be tough to get a reasonably priced mortgage. and your 401k goes down. president obama is stuck. this stimulus has been taken away. he's got obama-care which has been labeled a train wreck. ben is likely to take away a very good stimulus program. martha: we will final out if this improving economy is a emperor with no clothes. what is that going to mean for everybody out there? >> you are asking the question, can the economy stand on its own without ben? that remains to be seen.

the dow jones average is going to open 120 points lower, and that will be in 15 minutes. it dropped 200 yesterday. interest rates are going straight up. a quarter point higher on basic interest rate. that doesn't sound like much. but in the financial world that is huge. and the price of gold is flat out falling out of bed it's down $80 an ounce. martha: gold has had a huge run. bill: tea party supporters hitting back at washington. >> anybody want to fire some irs agents? bill: that 15 minutes senator rand paul. he wants people fired. we'll ask him who's talking about when we talk to him live this hour. martha: is an nfl start focus of a murder investigation? he has been accused of another

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aaron hernandez about the death of another football player. that person's body found in an industrial park near his home. our fox news sportscaster is here to talk with us. we have new video taken from fernandez' home. dead is 27-year-old odon lloyd. what do we know about the relationship between these two men? >> we don't know anything about the relationship. it's been reported that the police say hernandez' girlfriend and brown -- hernandez' girlfriend had a sister and that sister was dating lloyd. that's all we know. we also know that the car they believe he was in was a rental car that was found near

hernandez' house. was rented to hernandez. they believe lloyd used that car but it was in hernandez' name. bill: it's a mind twister. there was also a report that the two men were seen together at a nightclub the night before. i don't know if that's been confirmed but some are reporting that. >> there is a lot of reports out there. there are a lot of people coming forward. there is of course this other shooting and a lawsuit of a friend, alexander bradley who was reportedly with hernandez in february. he ended up losing his eye. but he would not identify hernandez as the shooter. they were reportedly at a strip club. this all occurred and they found bradley just off the highway on a street. he went to the hospital for a couple weeks but would not

identify him to the police. but then he sued him for $100,000. that suit was dismissed because of some clerical errors and will be refiled. he still won't confirm the's hernandez but he says it's hernandez. bill: that was only four months ago in miami, florida in the month of february. what do we know about his level of cooperation? is he talking to police? is he answering their questions? is he considered a suspect? >> police have not identified him as a suspect or person of interest. initially he did not option. he is very cooperative now. the patriots will not talk about

this. his teammates say he's a good teammate. he's hard worker. he has had some maturity issues. he did fall in the 2010 draft considerably when he was taken from florida because of issues with marijuana. that caused him to drop and there was also some gang-related activity that they felt he was involved with growing up in bristol, connecticut. so that scared away some nfl teams as well. i talked to some personnel directors and they said yes they did stay away from him because of those issues, particularly marijuana. bill: he has a bright future, he's a talented player. well see if this affects his future. jim gray out of lax. marthad jim gray out oflos ange. martha: there are reports a new

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moments ago. >> he was found in his room by his family. unfortunately that is the only question i'm able to answer. i'm a close family friend. i have known the gandolfinis for over a decade. i used to live with mr. gandolfini years ago and i considered him like a big brother. bill: we'll talk to james lipton from the famed actors studio where gandolfini got his start. martha: president obama is said to be going around congress to put major carbon emission restrictions on power plants. you know, this is interesting. when you look at some of what has been said by environmental advocates about the president. they are extremely unhappy with

lack of action. al gore is on that list. saying great words but let's see some action. he has a lot of pressure to to this from the left. >> these are promises the president made in one way or another dating back to his first candidacy for the presidency. he made it clear he wanted to be aggressive on global climate change and executive action. this is a followup on his commitments as a candidate in 2008 and 2012 and the things he said at the beginning of his second term. martha: people on ought corporate energy side of this will be nervous. initially the expectation was these regulations would be for future plants. but now there are suggestions it will be to retrofit current plants. that won't sit well. >> i think that's exactly the plan. they will target current plants.

i think if you look back at the kinds of things that were worrying corporal america back in the 2012 campaign cycle it was exactly this kind of regulations the president its talking about or his advisors are talking about. empowering the epa which had been pretty aggressive in the president's first term to be even more aggressive in his second term and bypassing congress to do so. martha: the president was criticized early on when the focus was a seriously ailing economy and the jobs picture. now you have got this big speech and talk overseas in berlin yesterday and you have got this pressing situation in syria and a lot of big stuff going on that's feel he's not showing the leadership on. now this. it's a curious sort of turn at this point, is it not? >> i think it is. certainly it's not just syria. look at the continued threats from al qaeda and its affiliates.

there are lots of things happening around the world that i would think would require the president's attention. but he many getting a lot of pressure not only from al gore but from grassroots environmental activists pushing him to do this who are concerned about what direction he may go on the keystone pipeline. there was a petition circulated or signatures gathered by obama campaign workers. serlg dozen of them encouraging the president to push on keystone, not to approve keystone. so he's having some challenges from his left base. >> we'll see. steve, thank you very much. see you later. bill: there is a stunning new documentary claiming flight 800 was no accident. we'll speak to an investigator who thinks the matter should be reopened now. >> you are basically telling me this was an agenda-driven investigation.

>> i think there is a strong possibility of this. and that was this is an accident, make it so.

martha: there are calls for a new investigation into the 1966 crash into twa flight 800. this stunning new documentary is claiming that disaster was no accident. all 233 people onboard died when the plane headed for paris

exploded in the atlantic ocean just after it left jfk. moments into that flight. it was a stunning horrific tragedy. the ntsb ruled it was caused by an electrical short onboard. now 17 years later. several of the lead investigators in this case who worked on it. who tried to reassemble the plane have broken their silence on what they think happened. >> there was a structural piece of the aircraft lying on the floor with three holes blown through it like a .22 through a tin can with an obvious entrance and exit side of the penetration. i was about to take a picture of it and somebody tapped me on the shoulder and said don't take that picture. i said who are you to tell me not to take a picture.

he said fbi. >> he looked around and found other parts with similar holes. >> we do analysis. >> the primary conclusion was the explosive forces came from outside the air plane, not the center fuel tank. martha: wow! bob young is a former twa senior investigator featured in this documentary and he's calling for a new investigation. bob, welcome. good to have you here this morning. you all worked on this. this -- has this been eating away at you for 17 years? and if so why didn't you come forward sooner? >> it certainly has. first of all during the investigation we are not allowed to speak outside the investigation. secondly after the investigation

finished, we were required by american airlines and i retired and basically the investigation fell by the wayside. it was completed and many things were happening and basically up until this time i didn't think that speaking out publicly would have any effect. but i do believe now that we have got a synergy with hank hughes from the ntsb and jim spear from the airline pilots association. with our petition we filed with the ntsb the ball is in their court to respond to our concerns. martha: there are stunning instances of witnesses who were on the ground. one who i believe was on a plane flying alongside or near by. they say they saw something shooting up from the ground toward that plane that caused that impact. but there is another guy who

worked with you all who was part of that five-person ntsb team. you know him? he says that the report on how the plane fell apart. none of it supports a missile. he says when you look at the physical evidence unside the tang it's clear the explosion was inside the fuel tank. if the top of the tang goes up and the bottom goes down and the forward side bows back pant back goes back, it tells you the explosion is from the inside. how is this version so different from yours and the others. >> during the breakup of the airplane the center tang probably did have an explosive event occur as the airplane broke up. our high thot this or our con -- our contention is the center tank was not the initiating event. martha: the next question is why? why would someone from the fbi

tap one of the investigators on the shoulder and say no pictures of that? why? >> we were never allowed to take pictures in the hangar without fbi approval. this is unusual in normal ntsb investigations. the fbi treated it as a criminal event for the whole time they were in charge of the hangar which was about 15 months. martha: what's the motivation? you must have thought about it this 17 years and you must have some idea about why. jim kalstrom, the fbi assistant director at the time. he said a friend of mine's wife was killed on that plane. nobody wanted to know the answer more. he said we pursued the missile issue in and out and every which way on this. what do you say to that? >> well, initially the fbi was very sure they had a terrorist event on their hands.

and it was after the fall of 199 that they began to feel there may be another possibility. it was during this time that they had the cia do an analysis for them. and the cia came up with the resumed climb which quite frankly did not happen. martha: why do you say that did not happen. they say that's the explanation why people on the ground saw something that looked like a missile. they are saying the explosion had already happened and they were seeing part of the plane. >> if you have seen the documentary, some of our witnesses are very clear about the fact that what they saw emanated from the surface. and the airplane was at 13,000 feet at the time the event occurred. there was no way it could emanate from the surface at 13,000 feet. martha: why would the fbi, why would the ci tax want to cover

this up? why? >> again, i don't like to speculate. our submission to the ntsb asked several different questions like why no witnesses were allowed to testify at either of the two ntsb hearings when we had such a large body of witnesses that saw some events in the sky. at the end of the day, it's up to the ntsb to respond to submission -- our petition for reconsideration and answer some of these questions. martha: bob young, thank you. it's quite a story and very important to readdress. good to have you here today, sir. bill: in the meantime tea party supporters in washington. senator rand paul is taking names. he's our guest live next on that. martha: we remember james

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martha: heavy flooding killed two people and forced the closure of the catholic pilgrimage filling the got toe g the grotto of lourdes. look at that flooding. bill: that's a rare sight. tea party activists converging on washington. kentucky senator rand paul

founder of the senate tea party caucus was there. >> i'm like most americans. horrified that my government has gotten out of control and is persecuting people for their religious and political beliefs and it needs to end and it needs to end now. it turns out that the government employee at the irs who will not testify and who will not help with the hearings. it turns out she has been doing this for decades. she was at the fec telling republican candidates you need to quit and never run for office again. she has been using this bully nature of government. we are sick and tired of government bullies and we need to shend them home. -- we need to send them home. bill: you are talking about lois lerner. do you think it stops with her?

>> what i'm worried about is there may be a culture of corruption within this. you have government unions which have gotten so large and they give all of their money to democrats. so my question is, are they not only politically active but are they using their day job to go after people that they disagree with politically? this is very troublesome. a year ago we had the epa official who said we should do what the romans did. we need to crucify 5 or 6 businessmen when they go into town to make sure they are duly afraid of their government. bill: you are saying this is institutional within the irs. >> i don't know. not on do the people need to be fired but there needs to be a special investigation from top to bottom and finding out, are people using their personal political beliefs to go after their enemies? this may originate at the top of the white house but it also may be a culture where you have

union employees that are traditionally giving their money to democrats who are going to work and saying why don't i try to get republicans today while i'm at work as well. bill: you said anyone want to fire some irs agents? who should be fired? >> let's start by not hiring the 16,000 new agents are going to hire to enforce obama-care. if we had a simpler tax code we wouldn't need many irs agents. if we had a flat income tax where you multiplied your income by 17% and that was your income tax return you wouldn't need agents because everybody would comply. bill: what do you think of the $70,000 slated in raise by employees of the irs. they say they are required by law to give it because they are union workers. >> we would like to see people let go from the irs. a smaller workforce. and i think the people who are

in charge of doing their conferences, there was over $100 million spent in conferences the last 2 or 3 years. that person ought to be getting a demotion and money taken away from them. not a raise. bill: you don't know if it starts at the bottom or the top of the white house. what's your hunch? >> i think it's a culture maybe the white mouse either explicitly or implicitly is complicit in. there is a wink and a nod. but there may not have been direct orders from the white house. but i do know something has to change, whether you are a republican, democrat or independent, nobody wants the government that when your party loses an election that the other party uses government to maliciously go after their opponents. bill: immigration. there is word in could be another amendment on the senate side of congress that would complete 1,700 miles of border

fencing and 20,000 new border agents. is that a bill you could support, senator? >> i'm for immigration reform. what we have is broken. but i said repeatedly i want to seaboarder security first and the immigration reform which i'm in favor of is dependent on border security. so my amendment would say to congress, you goat vote each year and the reform progresses slowly. this amendment i don't think will do that. i don't think it will stop the reform if waiting on border security. it allows the reforms to go ahead and tries to get boredder security. i think they should be dependent upon each other. unless that happens i am not sure i can support it. bill: i'll put you down as a no unless i hear otherwise. bill: . bill maher * there are break

developments in this push for immigration reform. we have brand-new information on an amendment that may win over much needed republican support in the senate. so stick around. bill: we are waiting on a major senate hearing on how ed snowden pulled off one of the biggest national security leaks in american history.

bill: a bus crashing after skidding off a road and plunging into a river. 50 people onboard. it happened outside of lima, peru. 30 people are dead and 9 people are missing. martha: organizations that

advocated for stricter voting laws during last year's presidential election say they have been targeted by the irs. >> two more groups tell fox news they were singled out. in minnesota the group minnesota majority receives it has been operating for 7 years with no problem tackling voter issues in that state. but in march the irs sent a compliance letter asking in depth questions. for example, what it does if it supports candidates or tries to influence tub policy. >> if you look at the documents we originally filed with the internal revenue service when we founded the organization in our 990 forms they use a lot of the words that have been trigger words for the internal revenue service such as traditional values. upholding the constitution. freedom. those were trigger words for irs

agents in the past. >> reporter: the minnesota majority became known for claiming that 10,000 felons voted and may have put al franken over the top. there is another group. this one happens to be in wisconsin. it's called media trackers. it says with it applied for the irs non-profit status in 2011 it waited 15 months without any approval. so its ceo tells us they reapplied under the name greenhouse solutions and the irs approved that name in only 3 weeks. >> it many apparent the cincinnati office was not operating by itself. these rogue agents were not rogue. they were simply following orders. i think the question that remains, how far up the food chain does this go?

>> we repeatedly tried to obtain comment from the irs about the claims but the agency so far has not given us any explanation. martha: you just name your group greenhouse solutions and you are in, you are good. thank you very much. bill: what the immigration deal would mean for senator rubio. martha: we remembering an acting great. the life of james gandolfini. we'll take a closer look at the health issue that took him away from us too soon. things to look for coming up. every day we're working to be an even better company -

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martha: well, we begin this morning with this knox news alert of the sudden death of james gandolfini, the actor who shot to fame in the hit drama the sopranos in 1999. he passed away yesterday in italy. a lot of success on stage and film as well as in the sopranos, but he was best known for his portrayal of the character tony soprano, a tough-talking mob boss with a tortured soul. >> are you in the mafia? >> am i in the what? >> whatever you want to call it, organized crime? >> that's total [bleep] who told you that? >> dad, i've lived in the house all my life. i think it's warranted. i've seen you going out at three a.m. >> so, you've never seen the doctor go out at three in the

morning? >> did their kids ever find money and a gun? >> everybody immediately assumes you're mobbed up. it's a stereotype, and it's offensive. and you're the last person i would want to perpetuate it. martha: classic, right? that is a touching tribute that you're seeing right there in the diner in bloomfield, new jersey, where the final scene was shot. a reserved sign is placed on the booth where that last scene with the journey song playing in the background, don't stop believing. james gandolfini died from a heart attack. >> new york, new jersey, italian-americans, it was the whole thing. i mean, it was a tv program and, you know, people have to remember that. it was just -- i always enjoyed the show from day one, so i was really excited, you know, to have the final scene here. it was really something special. martha: he wasn't alone.

so james gandolfini, as i said, died from a heart attack. he was just 51 years old. in a little while we're going to speak to james lipton about the acting legacy. there's great talent that lies behind that, and also one of the stars of the sopranos joins us as well coming up. and we also have this fox news alert, senate sources now telling fox news that republicans will introduce a new amendment to immigration reform that could bring the support that is needed for this bill. a top republican saying that the next 36 hours on this will prove crucial. welcome to a brand new hour now of "america's newsroom," everybody. we've got a lot going on. very busy morning, i'm martha maccallum. bill: i'm bill hemmer, good morning. a dramatic increase in the border security agents, calling for more fencing and surveillance roads that could bring many more republicans onboard the bill. maybe. tucker carlson, editor of the tailty caller, good morning to you, sir.

>> morning, bill. bill: just based on the sketchy outline we have, i mean, would this do it? >> it might. now, keep in mind that yesterday an amendment from rand paul of kentucky, republican senate, was tabled by democrats. in other words, it was taken out by democrats, and some republican votes. this amendment would have required the senate to verify that the border was, in fact, secure every year for the next five years to make certain before any green cards were issued. another amendment like that from senator grassley was also eliminated. so there are forces, for sure, and some republicans are onboard with this, against verifying, against making the border restrictions too strict. bill: we just talked to senator paul, and based on the outlines of the amendment, he said he would be a no vote. but -- >> right. bill: -- what was not clear to me in the amendment is the language where he talks about requiring congress to vote every five years and you vote on the progress of border security which includes, according to

senator paul, a 95% capture of illegal entrants, meaning if you don't get to that point and prove it, then, what, immigration stalls? what happens? >> then you don't give green cards to new immigrants. you, the path to citizenship that's being debated is stopped. now, there's dramatic support, over 80% according to a recent poll this month, for tightening border security. but there's also a pretty big coalition against it that would include the democratic party which understands more immigration means democratic voters, but it also includes some republicans. the wall"the wall street journa" editorial page attacks the republican right this morning for obsessing over border security, saying it'll create a police state and basically, you know, who cares? we need more immigration. so this is not necessarily a republican/democrat divide, it is a conservative republican, sort of tea party group versus everybody else divide, and it's very bitter. i think it has the potential to

divide the republican party in a profound way. bill: on the politics of it, let's show our viewers what we're talking about. double the size of border patrol to 20,000, additional fencing along the mexican border, i think it's 700 more miles of fencing. >> right. bill: and new surveillance drones as well as i mentioned a moment ago. on the politics of it, tucker, especially for republicans, are you one that believes that the republican party doesn't have a future unless they appeal to hispanics or not? >> well, i mean, that's clearly true. hispanics and asian-americans, the single fastest growing demographic, but, look, we have precedent. who knows what will happen, but we know what has happened. in 1986 there was an amnesty bill signed by president reagan at the time, and the aftermath of that, illegal immigration spiked, and latino voters became more democratic-leaning than they were before. doesn't mean it's going to happen this time, but people who argue the republican party needs to get behind this bill have to answer the very basic question, why won't it happen again?

why won't you see more illegal immigration and more hispanic voters trending democrat? i mean, what is the answer? i'm not sure what the answer is. bill: all right, tucker. thank you. good to have you live from paris, france, today. i'm kidding. enjoy vegas. tucker carlson. martha: a key member of the so-called gang of eight who put together the framework, florida senator marco rubio, saying that border security is only one piece of this puzzle. here he is. >> what some people have anxiety about is the fact that there are people living here now in the united states who are going to begin to work legally in the united states before all of that is completed. but the way that i've looked at it is, they're already here. they're here now, and they're working here now. the only difference if this passes is, we'll know who they are, they will have undergone a background check, they will have paid a fine, and they're going to be paying taxes. if we don't deal with that now, in essence, it's de facto amnesty, and it'll stay that way for three or four years. and i just think that's bad for

the country. martha: senator rubio joins us live here in "america's newsroom" with the latest on this bill at 10:30, coming up. bill: fox news alert now, taliban leaders are proposing a prisoner swap that involves an american soldier missing for four years in afghanistan. the taliban is talking about freeing u.s. army sergeant bowe bergdahl out of kevin channel, idaho, in exchange for five of their leaders held at gitmo. he disappeared back in june of 2009. the spokesman for the taliban says he believes bergdahl is still in good condition today. this comes with negotiations going on in qatar ahead of americans' withdrawal from that war in afghanistan. martha: and there are some new questions stemming from the nsa spying scandal about who has access to top government secrets. lawmakers are hoping to learn more today about federal security clearance and the system that allowed edward snowden to access the classified information about electronic surveillance programs that he was able to get his hands on.

a lot of questions about how that could happen. the director of the fbi is going to weigh in on that during today's hearing. here he is talking about it yesterday. >> person who has admitted to making these disclosures. he is the subject of an ongoing criminal investigation. these disclosures have caused significant harm to our nation and to our safety, and we are taking all necessary steps to hold accountable that person responsible for these disclosures. martha: yeah. that was yesterday. chief intelligence correspondent catherine herridge joins me now life in washington. catherine, what do we know about fraud in this system? >> reporter: well, thank you, martha, and good morning. according to testimony obtained by fox news, members of the senate committee with oversight for security clearances will be told there's not enough money to carry it through background checks and fraud is very common. the testimony reads in part, quote:

>> r eporter: there are a thousand government workers who hold the same job as nsa leaker ed snowden, a systems administrator who had sweeping access to highly classified sites. while we don't know whether there were background check problems in snowden's case, based on this testimony just as one example of fraud, a background investigator fabricated 1600 credit checks, and it turned out her own background investigation for that job was falsified. martha. martha: wow, that is incredible. what are we learning, catherine, about these plots that were disrupted by the nsa? >> reporter: there's growing scrutiny of the nsa director's claims that 50 terrorist-related incidents were apparently disrupted with the help of intelligence from these controversial programs. now, under the microscope, this alleged plot to target the new york stock exchange and statements by the deputy fbi director to congress on tuesday. >> we went up on electronic surveillance and identified his

co-conspirators, and this was the plot that was in the very initial stages of plotting to bomb the new york stock exchange. >> okay. would you say that this, their intention to blow up the new york stock exchange was a serious plot? or is this something that they kind of dreamed about, you know, talking among their buddies? >> i think the jury considered it serious since they were all convicted. >> reporter: well, here's the problem. deputy director joyce reportedly misspoke there. the suspects never went to trial. there were a series of plea agreements to lesser charges, and a defense attorney on this new york stock exchange case says the plot wasn't much of a plot at all, and that the information allegedly passed on to an al-qaeda operative overseas could actually be found simply on search engine like google, martha. martha: the kind of question that is raised in a big way by all of this. catherine, thank you very much. >> reporter: you're welcome. bill: accusations of a cover up as to what really happened to flight 800. earlier we heard from the former

investigator who thinks the case should be reopened now, but we'll talk to the lead fbi investigator on the case who has a very different opinion. martha: plus, violent protests in brazil raising security concerns for the home of the 2016 olympics. bill: what a mess that is, huh? and more on the life and career of james gandolfini. one of his costars joins us live after the break. >> nowadays everybody's got to go to shrinks and counselors and go on sally jesse rafael and talk about their problems. whatever happened to gary cooper? the strong, silent type? is that was an american. he wasn't in touch with his feelings, he just did what he had to do. [ male announcer ] erica had a rough day.

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bill: protests continue in brazil, violent protests, too, in the two biggest cities in that country even though leaders have reversed the bus fare hike that started the riots in the first place. in rio, riot police confronted

demonstrators as one group tried to tip over a moving bus. the protests have raised questions about the country's ability to provide enough security for the olympic games in 2016, the world cup in 2014. this is going to be a major focus for both of these huge international events in that country. martha: well, hospital officials in rome are now saying that sopranos star james began dolphin 234eu died of cardiac arrest as was thought as this story started to unfold, but before he made it big, he was persuaded by a friend to try acting, and years later he went inside the actors' studio with james lipton who we know does some of the best interviews and in-depth conversations with actors about their careers. he really gets into their heads about what makes them tick and tries to understand how they deal with their art and their craft. some of which people think comes easily. but it really does not. james lipton join the phone. welcome. good to have you with us today,

sir. >> thank you very much. it's a pleasure to be here, but on a sad occasion. martha: it really is. he was such a gifted actor and, you know, really was able to master such subtlety in his performance that spoke volumes, right? >> absolutely. he was a very powerful technician. he was hugely trained as an actor. people think because he looked like tony soprano or tony soprano looked like james gandolfini that they were one in the same, they just walked in front of the camera and talked. no, not at all. he was a wonderful actor with great training. it started with meissner's school for two years, and he was coached throughout his career as tony soprano by susan aston who is one of the teachers of the actors' studio drama school of which i was the founding dean, so he has a very close connection with the studio. martha: yeah. let's listen to a little piece of sound from an interview you did with him a while back.

>> finally, jim, if heaven exists, what would you like to hear god say when you arrive at the pearly gates? >> take over for a while, i'll be right back. [laughter] no, no, no. [laughter] >> that's it. you dare not change it. >> no, no. >> it's too good. martha: it was too good, and we can only wonder right now if god's taking a break. >> if he is, he's got a pretty good guy to put in charge. martha: you know, you say that he was a great technician, and i think a lot of people who, you know, are not that familiar with the craft of acting might wonder what that means. >> where it means an awful lot. look, the problem for most actors -- all actors -- is that the better you get, the easier it looks, and the easier it looks, the more people think it came easy to you. the assumption is that you go up there and pretend. no. children can pretend, but by the time they reach puberty and become self-conscious, the

pretending is gone. and after that you have to, you need a technique. that was what stance love sky did for actors around the world, that's what the actors' studio specializes in to this day at our school, of course, and what you have -- look, he said talent can't be taught. talent is what nature or god gave you, and that's what you bring to the table. we can give you technique. talent without technique can often go undiscovered. there is no technique without -- when the technique is applied to a great talent, then you get a great actor. martha: yeah. >> that combination is good technique and a huge talent. martha: yeah. >> i mean, you can have technique and a very small talent, and you will have a good career, an acceptable career. but every once in a while, marlon brando, james gandolfini,

people like that, people who are beautifully trained who have the technique but who bring to it this genius that they have. martha: that's a magical combination. >> precisely. but one needs both. martha: you do. james lipton, pleasure to speak with you today, and thank you so much for being with us. >> thank you very much. bill: you know, martha, the outpouring of emotion from the people who knew gandolfini's been staggering. he's been remembered as a genius and a best friend. joining me now, gandolfini's costar in the sopranos who played a character opposite. vito was your character. joe, good morning to you. >> good morning, how are you? bill: i'm doing fine. how are you doing, and what was it like to work with james? >> i'm doing all right. um, he was, i was lucky enough to, you know, know him somewhat and work with him and, you know,

admired him as a tremendous actor but just a regular guy that put a lot of people at ease that might be nervous being on the show or being, you know, scenes with him. he was just a gifted guy. bill: joe, we've heard that from a lot of people, that he was cool to everybody, and that was your experience? >> yeah. i mean, crew and actors, fans. he had no airs about him, you know? he didn't -- as iconic as he was, he was approachable and helped me tremendously in different ways. bill: joe, thank you for sharing. our best to you, and we're sorry for your loss. >> okay, buddy. bill: all right, joe. he was a character actor. i mean, he played pretty much, what, the same role just about everything he did through his

acting career. i mean, even in zero dark thirty when he played the role of george tenet -- martha: leon panetta, right? bill: sorry. he walked in the room, the entire theater went, oh! there's james. there's tony soprano. martha: great talent. so we're going to be continuing to take a look at his life. we're also watching in this morning because the dow is off considerably this morning, down about 211 after a 200-point drop in the late hours yesterday. down below 15,000, largely due to the comments by ben bernanke, he's signaling that maybe in the future, maybe september, maybe a little bit after that the fed might start to turn off the spigots a little bit. that's got the market spooked. we'll take a look at it, we'll be right back.

bill: eric holder finally responding now to questions from lawmakers investigating whether or not he lied to congress under oath. in a letter, the ag says the warrant to seize e-mails of fox news correspondent james rosen was just a tool for investigators, and they never planned to prosecute him. monica crowley, syndicated radio talk show host and a fox news contributor here to evaluate this and good morning to you. >> good morning. bill: so the letter's in and, apparently, holder's going to talk to members of the judiciary committee next week. >> behind closed doors. bill: this is what we know right now, the warrant is not equal to the prosecution. can you explain that? >> this is, apparently, going to be his defense to the house judiciary committee. he's going to try to say, look, there's no equal relationship between issuing a search warrant or signing off on one -- which he admitted to in this line of answers to these questions -- and a prosecution. but that's not really the point, bill. the point is that he personally signed off on a search warrant of james rosen's personal

e-mails designating him as a, quote, criminal co-conspirator, which means that the entire point of going through this exercise was that he wanted an open-ended investigation. he wanted the ability to go hog wild into james rosen's phone calls, e-mails, you name it to pursue this investigation. bill: so because you signed the warrant, that opened up the door to do just about whatever you wanted to do legally even if that included -- like, why sign the warrant unless you're going to prosecute somebody? >> and why designate somebody as a criminal co-conspirator? bill: this is what he said about a month ago, may 15th now, rolling. >> with regard to the potential prosecution of the press for the disclosure of material, that is not something that, um, i've ever been involved in, heard of or would think would be a wise policy. in fact, my view is quite the opposite. bill: okay. now, this is important, too, because that was may 15, 2013. we now know that the approval

for holder came on may 28, 2010. so how then do you explain that? >> tree years ago. -- three years ago. he doesn't directly address this in this series of answers that he's provided to the house here. he doesn't go anywhere near trying to address this question or trying to square this circle, and that's the crux of what we're talking about here, bill. did he commit perjury when he made that statement -- bill: do you think he did, or do you think he can parse the language and -- >> well, he can try -- bill: -- legally say, you know what? okay, i said that, but that was not my intent. >> he can try to weasel out of it maybe with some legalese as he's already trying to do, but this is a very tough circle to try to square here because he gave a very broad and sweeping statement to congress when he said i've never done anything like this, i would never do anything like this, i don't think it's, quote, wise policy. well, now we have evidence that, in fact, he thought it was wise enough policy to go after fox news' james rosen. bill: also in the answer he called it necessary and

appropriate, so that will be part of his defense when he meets with these committee members next week. thank you, monica. of we'll see what they say then. monica crowley. martha: back to the breaking news on a possible deal for immigration reform that may be emerging this morning in the senate. will added border security make a difference here? former -- excuse me, current florida senator marco rubio, one of the gang of eight who drafted that legislation, joins us coming up next. bill belle also check it out, a couple of daredevils taking the plunge off of one of the country's tallest buildings, and it happened in the middle of the night? now the search is on for these mysterious thrill seekers. ♪ might as well jump, jump! ♪ might as well jump, go ahead and jump!

martha: fox news alert, are we near a deal on immigration reform in the senate this morning? republican senators hoeven and corker are set to propose a new amendment that they say would beef up border security and that that could bring a considerable amount of support to this bill to the extent that it might pass. it would include this: full implementation of a universal e-verify system, full implementation of an entry/exit tracking system for visitors to the united states, complete 700 miles of fencing on the border, completion of new tech technolol infrastructure on that border, hire, train and deploy 20,000

new border agents, all of that would happen before all legal immigrants could even -- illegal immigrants could even apply for permanent legal status. let's see how this goes with senator marco rubio who has been so aligned with this immigration reform fight throughout, and he joins me now. good to have you, senator. >> good morning, thank you. martha: what's different about this? what's stronger about it? does it really protect our border? >> it's a major surge in border enforcement, and i think it's important to explain why that's necessary. look, as i said before, america's a special country, so special that people are are willing to come here no matter what. some people are willing to risk their lives and do it illegally. we're compassion be nate about that, but we have a right to protect our borders, and that's why it's so critical. as long as we have this crisis on the southern border, it's going to require resources like the one this amendment outlines. i've been saying the entire effort of immigration reform hinges on whether or not we get

the border security parts of the bill right. and if you look at what's being proposed here, this is a dramatic expansion and improvement in border security that i hope will allow, finallle support it needs. martha: you're hearing it from both sides on this. i asked people on our twitter feed what i should ask you, you know, what was on their minds, they said, you know, why is he in favor of amnesty? why is he not tough enough on this issue? why is he allowing people to get through? why isn't he protecting our border? what do you say to them? >> clearly, there are people that are unhappy about this issue and, listen, i do understand it, i really do. people are frustrated that america's so generous when it comes to immigration, and yet people have taken advantage of our laws, and we feel like, look, weaver a sovereign country, why can't we protect our worlder? i share those frustrations. and the bottom line is if nothing happens, that frustration, what they're frustrated about, that will stay in place. we're not going to have the

fencing, the additional border agents, we're not going to have e-verify, we're not going to have entry/exit tracking and know who these millions of people are that are living in our country, they're here now, they're working, but they're not paying taxes, and we don't know if they're criminals or not. so leaving what's in many place right now is not an option, we have to fix this. and i think this amendment is a dramatic improvement on border security, unlike anything that's ever been proposed or has a chance of passing in the past. martha: yeah. it's a tough spot. some people don't believe that this amendment will be solid, that you -- all of these things will happen; 700 miles of border fence, electronic security that's visible, a tangible thing that people see before any of the rest of this kicks in to allow new immigrants to come into the country. >> well, and that's the key. and that's the key. that's why those things have to be linked to one another, what they call a trigger. if you don't say that all those things have to happen before the permanent legal residency happens, if you don't say that, these things may not happen. martha: and then, you know, the

other side says that's so long, ten years before this process even begins? the benefits that could accrue to the republican party, you know, as a result of immigration reform, you know, can't wait that long some of them say. >> you're talking about on the immigrant reform side? martha: yeah. >> of the argument? here's the bottom line. look, we're compassionate people. but they violated the immigration laws of the united states. you don't have a right to illegally immigrate to the united states. if we do anything for people to accommodate them or figure out a way forward for them, we do it because it's in our national interests and because we're a compassionate people. not because we have to. so i don't think people that have violated the immigration laws can have a right to demand anything. we are doing this because it's not good for this country to have 11 million people, most of whom have been here for longer than ten years, here and we don't know who they are, they're not paying taxes. martha: i golf cha. >> but beyond that, we have to secure our border. think about what this amendment offers. doubling the size of the border patrol? i mean, these are dramatic steps forward of the kind people have

been begging for for years. martha: i understand. i want to get your thoughts on folks in your own party who say this is too much, things have to happen simultaneously. here's jeb bush in a tweet that he put out earlier today. he says: martha: we've also heard similar thingsm lindsey graham, that these things have to start now for republicans to benefit from them, you know, with voters who feel very strongly about it. they say it's got to start simultaneously. >> well, first of all, i don't think this is about helping the republican party. i think this is about helping the united states of america. i'm not doing this for politics, and i think those who are arguing that we should do it for politics are wrong about that. our duty here is to the constitution of the united states and to the people of this country. and one of our primary duties is the sovereignty of this nation. every country enforces their border. every country on the planet that i know tries or does secure their border. martha: right. >> why should the united states not be allowed to do the same? why are we different?

why are we expected not to secure our border? i don't think that's fair. martha: so what will be the signal to you? if this passes, what's the signal that all those things have been accomplished that are on that list and now it's time to, you know, sort of open the gates? >> well, the gates aren't open. on the contrary, we're reforming our legal immigration system so that it works better. we're going to have a way of knowing people who are here illegally now by overstaying their visas, people that are illegally here are not going to be able to find jobs, and we're going to know who they are, they're going to be background checked, they're going to pay a fine and start paying taxes, many of them for the first time in their lives. so it's not an open-ended question. but we'll have the kind of border security measures that have never really been in place in the past. martha: very interesting. senator, we'll see what happens. thank you so much for being here. >> thank you. martha: we'll see you soon. bill: so if he's right what he says at the beginning with this amendment, he believes it passes, and all the focus shifts. martha: unless there's a real momentum in the senate, it makes it more difficult if the house

and republicans to get behind it. bill: they're also watching the number of votes. a lot of people think you get way up in the 70s -- martha: then you've got momentum. bill: a former investigator now in the crash of flight 800 now saying it was not an accident. >> the detonation of object one of the airport caused the surface of the plane to shatter. as the plane banked to the left, the mist of fuel made a thick, white plume of vapor behind the jet liner. then object two exploded with two nearly simultaneous explosions. bill: so now all these years later that documentary is out, and the lead fbi investigator on that case says that man is just flat out wrong. he will explain live when we talk to him next. plus, there is this -- >> right back up comes vaughn, getting back on the bench -- bennett across, score! martha: what a game! chicago blackhawks held on to beat the boston bruins 6-5. this is the third overtime game

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bring any updates as they come. ♪ ♪ bill: there's a new documentary raising questions about what caused the crash of fright 800. -- flight 800. a group of investigators are calling for a new probe and point to explanations that have long been considered just conspiracy theories. listen here from a new documentary. >> nothing that the fbi learned about the investigation was provided to us. >> we didn't have much cooperation from the fbi on any part of the investigation. >> they controlled the access to the wreckage. we were never allowed to see it until all the evidence techs from the fbi had looked at it and decided that we could see it. i mean, this was unheard of. bill: what about those claims? james call strom is the lead fbi investigator of that crash, also a former director of homeland security for the state of new york. how you doing, jim? nice to see you. >> good morning, bill. good to be with you. bill: i want to give you a

chance to respond to what we just heard, and martha talked to a gentleman last hour who talked about no pictures were ever allowed inside the hangar. what about the tight lid on the investigation? >> well, i think they're preposterous. you know, it's pure fiction. look, there's two different agencies, the fbi investigates crimes under title 18. we show up at a potential crime scene, and we have to abide by the rules of federal procedure, the rules of evidence, the chain of custody, you know? so we can't willy-nilly have people from the airline industry, you know, the pilots' union, the stewardess' union screwing around with the evidence. but the ntsb engineers and the people that needed to be there were certainly there. but every tom, dick and harry budget there because they couldn't be there -- wasn't there because they couldn't be there. ntsb is a civilian agency that investigates plane crashes among other things that are caused by

human error or electrical or mechanical mall functions or bad weather, something like that. bill: you know, james, i know you're disappointed by what you've heard, the accusations of people who used to work with you and work for you in many cases. but you also said based on the research of 1996, you made the determination that you did. could the research over 17 years? >> yeah, bill -- bill: the way technology changes? >> just a correction. none of these people worked for me. they worked for ntsb. i don't even know who they are. they were low-level people that worked there, but, you know, they were not the ntsb hierarchy of the engineers and the scientists that were there. i don't know who they are. they weren't in my chain of command, so that's number one. bill: understood. okay, what about the research issue? what about the technology developed all these years later? >> well, let me just say this, we took the missile theory very seriously. in fact, i talk about, i talked about in the very first press conference about the potentiality of a missile. a lot of people saw what they thought was a missile going up

in the air. on that point the vast majority of those people, bill, you know, they're on the shoreline of long island, you know? and this plane was at 13,000 feet. and basic physics, if you knew physics, you know the speed of light and the speed of sound, most of the people -- not all, but most of them -- looked up when they heard the bang. and that bang, depending on where they were, was either 33 seconds later or somewhere up to 56 seconds later. so the vast majority of people looked up when they heard the bang. the plane had already exploded, and they were seeing the plane, you know, falling apart. bill: i can understand that explanation, but i could understand something falling from the sky, but what the witnesses describe as something going toward the plane. how did you explain that? >> well, you know, some of that stuff just can't be explained. we interviewed every witness multiple times, we looked at it. the reality is, eyewitness testimony over the years is, you know, the perpetrators from 5-3

to 6-4. you cannot, you have to base this on the evidence. now, let's get to the evidence. we ended up getting 97% of the plane out of the ocean, you know? people didn't want us to stay in this investigation as long as we did. members of congress said, you know, what's the fbi doing? the fbi cannot, you know, say with any kind of certainty this was terrorism or it wasn't terrorism with 20%,30% of the airplane in the ocean. so we stayed a long time. the ntsb had already concluded -- although that they hadn't publicized the center fuel tank blew up -- but for me to stand up and say we did everything humanly possible and it's not terrorism to prove a negative, we'd have to have much, much more of the airplane. bill: 99% sure it was not terrorism. you stand by that? >> i absolutely do. i don't think you can ever be 100%. and we said at that closing

press conference, you know, if there's something here here that we're missing, the plane is still in a hangar down in virginia and has been for 17 years. if there's some dastardly thing that was not within the scope of science back in 1996, we can look at that. but this group of people are not those scientists. bill: thank you for your time today. james kallstrom, good to have you back with us. >> yeah. martha: coming up, "happening now" with jenna lee. let's see what they've got cooking today. jenna: here's our lineup, karl rove, a.b. stoddard and juan williams to talk about the growing toll the various scandals may be having on the president and the function of our government overall and whether some democrats are already jumping ship as the 2016 run gains momentum. just over all in the talks. speaking ahead, we have angela mcglowan talking about the details of a secret deal over immigration overhaul, we'll get into that. plus, the growing calls to abolish the irs.

is that even possible? probably around april 15th you wish it was, right? we'll talk it out coming up on "happening now."

♪ ♪ martha: well, it's the latest fitness craze with a huge fan following, how it went from something for elite athletes to your average joe. steve harrigan, who is not your average joe, joins us live in miami with this story. hi, steve. >> reporter: martha, you can see it's really a no frills workout experience. the gyms are called boxes, and crossfit itself was started by a california gymnastics coach in the year 2000. >> go, go, go! >> reporter: from remote

military outposts to suburban corporate america, the crossfit business has grown during a recession. >> down-up, three reps. >> crossfit 305 in miami has expanded three times. >> it's been amazing to watch it grow from this small thing no one knew about to this huge snowballing that now everybody knows about. >> reporter: crossfit offers a no-frills challenge to conventional fitness wisdom. >> i think the traditional fitness industry, the model is get people in the door, sign them up for the longest possible contract you can and hope to never see them again. >> julie, what was your push press max? 98? way to go. >> trainers say they know their students' names, strengths and weaknesses. ropes, medicine balls, weights, rings, kettle bells, wooden boxes, even tires are combined into a workout of the day, a wad that changes daily. the workouts are high intensity, often under 30 minutes. intensity that can sometimes

lead to injury which has nourished a secondary boom for chiropractors. >> about 25% of my practice is probably crossfit. >> reporter: the crossfit name is licensed for an annual fee. all gyms like this one are independently owned and operated. martha, back to you. martha: wow. some of those moves, you can see why they might send you to the chiropractor. bill: it's all about the core, phobes. martha: absolutely. bill: karl rove on deck.

martha: what's cooking on capitol hill is immigration today. bill: don't stop believing. martha: don't stop believing. have a great day, everybody. martha: "happening now" starts right now. jenna: breaking news out of the state of massachusetts. what you're taking a look at there on your screen is the home of aaron hernandez the current tight end for the new england patriots. you might have heard earlier this week there was a bit of a mysterious death that some had questions about his involvement. a body was found on the side of the road, not far from his home by a jogger, and there were some questions about his whereabouts, because the car near the scene was apparently rented by aaron her her. w hernandez. we are getting reports out of boston. according to boston.com and the senior sports producer there, a law enforcement source i